Interview

Interview

Charles Baron: Adam, the goal of our interview today is to get to know your learning journey as you worked to solve complex social problem and to hear more about how your understanding and practice of the U process has evolved. In your book Transformative Scenario Planning, the U process appears more clearly linked to your work that in your other books. You posit the five major steps of the Transformative Scenario Planning along the U itself and you end the book by underlying how important it is for the participants to suspend both their assumptions and their attachment to any result in particular. That said, your experience of running change labs over the last twenty-five years has helped you to develop your practice beyond the standard description of the U process. For example, a major contribution of your last book seems to be the realization of the transformative effects of the scenarios that often result in the co-presencing phase, when participants discover what can and must be done. Indeed, you seem to have discovered that the articulation of scenarios is more significant than just a prototyping exercise, and that it can link the transformation of the participants to the thought, relation and intention levels. Could you tell us more about how you understand the relationship between scenario planning and the U process?